A man accused of stabbing, beheading and cannibalizing another man on a bus in Canada pleaded Tuesday in court for someone to "please kill me."
I wonder if the same church that sponsored his new life in Canada are going to fund his lawyers, or are the people of Canada going to be left holding the bag, with tax payers money, like in the United States?
I can promise you, Canada will fund his lawyers, Canadian law is a joke. I should know, I was born and raised there. Why doesn't the USA and Canada give Psych evaluations to every immigrant? It doesn't matter that it would take forever, as long as our country's citizens are safer because of it. Close the borders, enough is enough!
..Why only immigrants?
There was a man in Calgary recently who killed a tenant in his home and his entire family except an infant girl. He kill two little girls.
He wasn't an immigrant, and he was mentally ill.
It doesn't take immigration to make you insane.
What a callous, short-sighted comment.
His legal expenses will likely be paid for by legal aid if he has no money. The same thing happens in most countries where the accused can't afford a lawyer. If he isn't broke, he's on his own. It's called having a fair trial - something you might have heard of. Or is the right to a fair trial the Canadian legal joke you referring to?
And you might want to think a bit more about having immigrants undergo "Psych evaluations". You might not have passed when you moved to the US.
Hopefully, you are not planning on coming back!
Yes, his lawyers will be paid by the government, if necessary, just as in every other civilised country. What's your point?
Another reason the borders should be closed. I am not against anyone wanting to better themselves, but you have to make a better way in your own country. you can't run away to the US or Canada. Americans make things right in the US. We don't run to Mexico or England when we don't like life in the US. We take a stand and make a change.
How extraordinarily nice for you that you "make things right" in a first world, industrialized, democratic nation.
Shame on those fleeing communicism, oppression and poverty.
How dare they hope for better!
As a side note - unless you are some sort of native american, I am going to posit a guess that the entire reason you exist within the USA is because at some point in history, one of your ancestors wanted better for themselves. Point your condemning fingers at them, why don't you?
The problem is not immigration.
The problem is mental illness. It is a universal problem.
Closing your borders will not keep people from snapping and killing one another.
Are you kidding me??!! They are questioning wheather or not this man is crazy. Why is he not dead yet. For some people there is no helping them. Even if you could "fix" his mind, he would go crazy again trying to live with what he did. C'mon! Walking aroung with your victims mouth in your POCKET!!! Youz a crazy sum bish for even questioning if this man is crazy or not.
How ironic that an individual facing a second degree murder charge, in a country without capital punishment, pleads for death. Safe wish I'd say. Maybe he ate some of that fresh Port Coquitlam bacon just after he immigrated.
I don't know what the mind set of that man was when he did that, but he was ridiculously insane and had I been a passenger on that bus and witnessed such a thing, I would like to see someone like that pay a serious price. I say give him his request; as sad and horrifying as this is.
My heart goes out to the victim and his family and friends. Just when we thought travelling by bus might be an option, there comes this amateur Hannibal Lecter. Anyone of the passengers on that bus will never be the same! This nightmarish 'act-of-nature-freak' will make some people jumpy before 'getting on board'. In China the killer would get his swift justice, no matter 'how crazy" he may be! Maybe the much-maligned shark will finally be off the hook, as we mint a new saying: "Chances are, you will get struck by lightning, before you get eaten by a China-man on a bus!"
Apparently, not everyone agrees....
"Calling the killing and later beheading of a young Canadian by a fellow bus passenger last week as 'god's gift', an American church group says it will protest at the victim's funeral to highlight his 'filthy way of life'."
"The Westboro Baptist Church, based in Topeka in the American state of Kansas, said Thursday its members will go to Winnipeg Saturday to protest against the victim's 'filthy way of life'."
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"Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of the founder of the church, told a Canadian TV network that the Canadian deserved death by beheading as his life was 'emblematic of Canada's moral decay'.
In his beheading death, she said: 'God handed us a gift."
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Canada Standard
Friday 8th August, 2008
(IANS)
Why the media even pays attention to these folks is a mystery.
If he wants to die that shouldn't be a problem, leave a length of rope in his cell one night....or better yet handcuff him and stick him in a room with the dead guys family and friends for ten minutes.
actaully i believe they should give him what he wants if he want too die then let him this 22 year old man didn't asked too be killed but we don't have the death penalty here in canada and if you do the crime you should do the time and him getting off on 2 degree murder is just nuts he should be charged with 1st degree murder.
If the Canadian Government had any backbone he, and 99.999% of all the other immigrants should never have been let in Canada in the first place. All they do is impose their beliefs and culture on us. They get away with things that the average Canadian would be charged with. If this guy wants to die, FINE, why should Canadian Taxpayers pay for his psych. evaluation, incarceration, trial etc.
vmax: I am very sympathetic with you, but I can't help more than that. Is Canada so desperate for more people? I liked it the way it was. What a shame. I'm very sorry for the individual victim and for the rest of us on both sides of the border. None of us are safe.
Time to grow up--there is no true safety, and yes, life is random and chaotic. And so what--if you are going to live frightened then you don't have a life.
What a prejudiced, fear-filled comment.
What, pray-tell, is Canadian culture?
Are you aware our entire country at one point consisted of immgrants?
That our foreign policy is to become a "mosaic" of cultures?
Put your right hand down and shave off your moustach. The reich is over and it is time to wake up and realize that people are people, no matter where they come from.
This man did not kill people because he was an immigrant.
He did so because he was mentally ill (like so many naturally born Canadians, but you seem to ignore that little statistic).
In fact, he worked in Edmonton and lived a life as a Canadian, and you have no proof he "pushed his culture" on anyone.
For shame.
You need an evaluation.
We're all immigrants or descendants of immigrants.
You really need an attitude adjustment.
This man is a disgrace to Canada.
Why should we have to pay for him to be made 'right' in the mind again. When you're 3 years old, you know the difference between right and wrong. This man was 40!!! You can't tell me that he has lived through his ENTIRE life and not ONE person came to the conclusion he was insane. You don't just live your life for 40 years, then become a killer and snap on an innocent human being who did NOTHING to you. To be entirely honest, I don't know if this man should be killed, or put in life long confinement. That just doesn't seem to do any amount of justice in my mind.
Call me old fashion, but seriously. I would like to KEEP these 'people' out of Canada. This man isn't mentally fit to be alive?? If he is going to take another persons life without remorse, then maybe so. But he knew.. He said 'kill me' in court. Who cares?! He brutally STABBED a man, SEVERAL times, and not only that, but he then decapitated him! And THEN was TAUNTING the other passengers, as if he KNEW what he was doing, as if he KNEW it was wrong, but somehow though it was funny to shove it in their faces?! Give me a break. This guy's sane, he knows what he did, he knows it was wrong, and now not only do WE have to pay for it out of our taxes, but his whole family has to pay for it by losing a son, brother, nephew, and friend.
I hope this guy rots in hell.
what do you have to do to be accused of 1st degree murder ??
They opted for a second degree murder charge because they did not feel they could prove it was pre-meditated due to the very random nature of the killing and the complete lack of a relationship between victim and muderer.
You have to have planned it, just like in the US.
Canada should make an exception and give this man the death penalty, even that will not be enough punishment for someone who commits such a horrendous, incomprehensible, hienous crime. May the soul of that innocent victim rest in peace.
2nd degree murder?? Are you serious? Just like the previous poster said, what the hell do you have to do to be charged with 1st degree murder? This shows how innocent victims are viewed as worthless and inconsequential in Canadian and American law. This brutal savage, who is of no use to anyone, will be treated delicately and with serious care. He is to be protected! I can't imagine the unspeakable suffering that poor young man endured. May he be at peace. The scum that murdered him should be set on fire and hit with baseball bats while he roasts.
What a calm, collected, sane evaluation you made.
I wonder how you'd be viewed if you lit someone on fire and hit them with baseball bats?
Why stoop to the same low you are revolting against? How ironic and sad for you.
Did the victim provoke him with the ever used, "eat me"? How did he do this with a bus full of people? Did no one try to stop him? I've eaten chinese food before, but not an actual chinese person. Maple leafs,ice hockey, Rush, and flesh eating chinamen. You kooky Canadians!
They were at the back of the bus. People were fleeing the scene. This is a bus, not a boxing ring, so there is very little room to maneuver. The priority of the people was getting the women and children off of the bus. They then went back to try and save the victim.
Don't even try and tell me you would have done any differently. This was not a bus full of cowards, and though everyone likes to talk big like a hero, nobody knows what they would actually do in such a random, horrifying situation.
I don't like rush, the Maple Leafs are a terrible team, and not all of our chinamen eat flesh.
electricpresident - As far as I know only two articles came out about this incident and neither one said anything about the other passengers going back on the bus to rescue the victim. Where did you find this information?
Several news reports. I live in Calgary, Alberta so this is the big news headlines up here.
has a whole bunch of articles on this incident.
If you watch the films where they interview Caton (the passenger sitting in front of the victim), he explains that after they got everyone off the bus, the bus driver, himself and a truck driver who had pulled over went into the bus to try and save the victim.
It was at this point they saw that the man was being beheaded.
I don't have a specific link, but if you head to msn.ca you will find tons of coverage on this.
thanks.
Dear Canada: I'll kill him if you like. I'll even pay my own expenses. US immigration may be screwed up, but your's is REALLY screwed up. US citizens need to be reminded that other countries are messed up even more than we are. This is REALLY messed up!
Do it, Canada. Kill him!
What was on the Zorro movie? I have never seen it. I suspect it might have triggered this sick man. I wonder if he had any right wing hate books in his collection.
FYI: 1st degree murder in Canada mean that there is clear evidence of advanced planning and motive. When people flip out, the charge is almost always 2nd degree murder. The max penalty is still life, but parole eligibility is sooner. In this case, it is hard to imagine that he'll ever be paroled. Still, it costs money, time, and frustration for the victims to go through the rigmarole of pointless parole applications that would not be possible with a 1st degree conviction. I say go for 1st degree, and if the Crown fails to meet the burden, convict as 2nd degree.
He will not be paroled unless there is some grandiose failure of the legal system. And judging by his request, I doubt he'd even ask for it.
The act of killing ,should be handled by responding with the saying an eye for an eye.
The article says the church hired him. Does not say church sponsored him. So I am confused. How does a non-skilled worker legally emmigrant from China without a sponsor or without guarantee that a Canadian company has hired him into a white collar job, or a guarantee that he is being admitted to college? In the USA you need one of the above situations or you can also get in legally if you prove you are rich or you prove you have $300,000 cash to invest in a new company that will hire at least 10 Americans.
The problem is not immigration, for the last time.
It's not like China manufactures paranoid schizophrenics for export.
This man could have come from the inside, he could have come from the outside.
That's beyond and beside the point. The fact is, he was mentally ill, and illness knows no boundaries, race, creed, tribe, or country of origin.
Stronger immigration laws are not the key to cracking down on mental-ilness related crimes.
I don't understand why so many newsviners aren't seeing the forest for the trees here.
His issue was not that he was an immigrant.
Its that he was mentally ill and refused treatment.
Mental illness is a problem world wide, it effects more lives than anyone cares to admit. Treatment centers are one of the first government funded programs to get cut when money is tight. Rather than helping someone with proper care they get sent to jail.
It seems to me that maybe this guy has post traumatic stress disorder. Some people who have fought in wars or have been severely abused (not that this is an excuse, because what he did was monsterous) will suddenly snap and so really strange things. If this is the case it would explain why he never had any violent tendencies in the past or a criminal history. I work with psych patients and I have seen what ptsd does to a person even years after the fact. I still believe that the man should get the maximum sentence if not the death penalty, but it is worth looking into if for no other reason than to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
There is no cure for this mans sickness. We also don't need to spend millions of tax payer dollars to do a mental evaluation, extended sanity battles, year long court venues. Any idiot knows he has to be mentally whacked.
I suggest maybe those who feel the poor dear needs help and even deserves it, finance it and take part in his care and custody.
This man gave up his rights when he brutally killed another human being-I see no logic in chatting about his rights. Only one viable action.
Perhaps the problem is not immigration, but years ago immigrants could only gain entry to a country if they were in good health and could contribute positively to the host country. I don't see a reason to take in any and all immigrants. Let's take in people who can contribute positively--it's self preservation.
You have to feel for the victim, his family and friends, as well as for the rest of humanity due to the horrendous nature of crimes such as this one. A person who commits a crime such as this cannot be a "balanced" person, and probably has not been for many years. There is also the possibility that he may have committed other similar crimes that have gone undetected. A person who functions reasonably well in society would not be committing a crime such as this. Mental illnesses in many societies are not properly addressed and this man, as well as many others barely make it on a day to day basis and then one day "snap". Instead of calling for an eye for an eye, which by the way certainly is not a Christian approach, all of us should instead be actively working to make certain that our governments develop meaningful programs to assess individuals. Mass murderers and men such as this needed help but they never reached it and it never reached them.
That is the reason why some of these incidents are not avoided, and as Christians we are called upon to show compassion for the offender regardless of the nature of the crime. Jesus advised us to "turn the other cheek" and did not call for the stoning of Mary Magdalene.
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